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the Amenities: |
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amenities' polling results sent in during month of September
-and now into October too - are on
another page (the split location is due to file size
and download times for 56K connected community members). |
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This
survey has generated alot of commentary. It is split into
5 files to keep the size down. If you are looking for comments
chronologically, here are links:
Commentary
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Missed
the chance to speak up? See
all the 'CPN Asks' Surveys.
Get
vocal. Participate
- it is mostly painless.
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SEPTEMBER
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Are
we ready for a CPN Recreation Center?
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(Back
to the latest survey results) |
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And MORE of what you've had to say about
it... |
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from
Oct. 10 through Oct. 31, 2001: |
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10-30 |
"We
definitely need a rec center here in Castle Pines North! I am looking
forward to the kids being able to sign up for fun activities and classes
that are close by. Lafayette has a great rec center -they have a large
slide (like water world) and a lazy river! That might be something
to look into." |
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10-29 |
"Do
we really need a rec center here when the Castle Rock rec center is
so close? Won't one here just decrease use at the current one? Perhaps
in a couple of years when there is a larger population." |
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10-29 |
"My
main interest is that it would make CPN a more attractive place to
live. More modern ameneties." |
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10-29 |
"Sign
us up now! The sooner the better." |
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10-28 |
"Having
been a member of CR Rec center for over 10 years, we would enjoy having
a facility closer to our home." |
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10-27 |
"Castle
rock rec center is wonderful and convenient. Why not just use it &
save $$$$" |
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10-24 |
"Build
it quick, but keep your promise on dues and fees!" |
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10-24 |
"We
definitely need a rec. center. It will give us something fun to do
during the cold months. It will be great place to go to stay fit and
to relax in the pools, steam room and sauina. We need this for CPN
its to far to go to use the Castle Rock facility." |
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10-24 |
"Many
of the current homeowners of Hidden Pointe were told that a recreation
center was "definately" being built - for many of us, it was a deciding
factor in moving here with our families. Based on the number of families
with children that I see in the area I believe many families welcome
the recreation center - it also puts us on par with all of the surrounding
communities such as Parker, HR and Castle Rock with similar facilities." |
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10-24 |
"I
am absolutely opposed to the 115% increase in HOA dues that would
be used to finance the recreation center. I will not use the facility
and should not have to pay for others recreation. I enjoying mountain
biking and climbing, but I do not believe my neighbors should be
required to purchase my climbing gear. If I wanted a recreation
center I would have moved into a community with such amenities.
In addition, it has been my experience that after an initial surge
in usage, the number of people using the facility will decline causing
homeowners association fees to increase to pay for the building
and maintenance. If there is truly a need for such a center than
it should be built commercially and paid for strictly by the users.
If this is not feasible then the demand is insufficient for the
facility.
Additionally,
a "sense of community" is not created at a recreation
center. If you want a sense of community, talk to your neighbors.
Not just the ones on either side but everyone on your street. Talk
to people at school functions. Have neighbors over for dinner. Trust,
respect and friendship build a sense of community, not hanging out
at the recreation center.
On
final point. I believe your opnion poll is flawed. It is clear from
some of the responses that children are responding to this poll.
It’s not hard to guess their answers. Most likely the answer
is the same as the poll asking should they be given a new car."
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10-24 |
"No
new taxes!!!" |
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10-23 |
"I
am very much opposed to the $115 HOA dues increase that would be used
to finance the recreation center. A major factor in deciding to live
in Castle Pines North was that the dues were reasonable, and we were
not paying for amenities that did not want and will not use, such
as a recreation center. If a recreation center was important to us,
we would have purchased a home in Highlands Ranch. The cost for a
rec center should only be incurred by users of the rec center. Rather
than spend their money for a rec center they don't use, some in the
community may rather invest in a home gym, a fitness club membership,
or in other family recreation activities. I would be interested to
see how many residents are willing to pay hundreds of dollars annually
for a rec center, since the slow-down of the economy (versus last
year's survey)." |
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10-22 |
"We
live in Canterbury townhomes. The residents of HOAII/Kings Crossing,
already have a Clubhouse and pool. Why should our dues go up for a
rec center that some of us will never use!? What will become of our
Clubhouse and pool should a new Recreation Center go forward? It is
totally unfair for any resident living in CPN to have their dues raised
to pay for something they will never, ever use!!! We never rec'd the
aforementioned Fall Survey, only finding out about the proposed Rec
Center in the latest Community newsletter! We strongly vote against
getting a Rec Center in CPN and having our dues raised when we will
not use the facilities!!" |
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10-22 |
"I
would really like to see a Rec Center in CPN. I think it's a critical
component to a first rate community and would benefit all homeowners
by increasing property values (not just those who choose to use it)." |
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10-22 |
"I'm
in full support of this, given the annual HOA dues increase is reasonable
and the membership prices are in line with market rates." |
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10-22 |
"I
do not want ANY increase in HOA dues. Let the people who want a rec
center pay for it themselves with membership dues." |
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10-22 |
"Where
is the business case and financials for this proposal? Also, what
are the details behind the numbers of residents that would like this
service? I think there are many questions that need to be answered
before our HOA fees are increased the maximum amount!" |
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10-22 |
"I
am very concerned that this increase in our Masters Association homeowner's
dues has been forced upon us without any regards to what the community
residents want. I vaguely remember last years survey and in no way
did it ask me if I was in favor of building a Recreation Center. The
only option available was how much would I pay in dues for a Rec Center.
It did not ask Yes or No if I was in favor of a Center. Of course
everyone would respond with the lowest amount as their choice. By
selecting "no more than $450", I did not intend to infer
that I was in favor of building a Rec Center. My question is how many
responses were received back? How many residents handwrote "I
do not want a Rec Center", like I did. Was this factored into
the results? I also remember being able to select which Parks Authority
projects I wanted to see in the area. I can't believe that a Rec Center
would receive a more "overwhelming response from community residents"
when compared with improved trails and additional parks. Where did
these 2 choices fall in the survey? Are the results of that survey
published somewhere? Is it on this site? Who tabulated the results?
Where do I find out this information?" |
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(I
do not have that survey - I didn't make a copy when I got mine. Like
you, I hand-wrote my comments and sent it back in. Anyone out there,
if anyone has a copy or if the holder of the results wishes
to share this requested information, contact
the webmaster, I will post it.) |
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10-22 |
"The
cost benefit analysis needs to be completed BEFORE the HOA dues are
increased." |
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10-22 |
"There
is one in CR & HR." |
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10-22 |
"With
the growth of the neighborhood, a rec center will be a great asset
and be a good place to continue the sense of community. It will be
an impetus for future an increase in home values since a rec center
is favored by a majority of home owners. Although the costs would
be significant, it would be a wise investment in the future of our
community." |
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10-22 |
"This
is a joke. We have a rec center 8 miles down the road in Castle Rock.
Why are we trying to be like Highlands Ranch? The decision for a rec
center should go to a vote of the residents. This decision should
not be left to a bunch of people who never accomplished a thing in
life so sitting on a homeowners board gives them a feeling of accomplishment." |
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10-22 |
"Reading
the last newsletter, it would seem that the writer believes that CPN
residents would like to see their average $400 tax "reduction" lowered
by $210 in order to finance part of the rec center. This is one resident
who wishes not only to see the property taxes reduced by the whole
amount but requests that the HOA work on further reductions, along
with the Metro district, of the current mill levy. Granted that the
CPN bonds were recently refinanced but with today's interest rates
being what they are, a further lowering could be expected. Once the
mill levy has been reduced, bringing us in line with what it should
be (look at CP Village), and the bonds paid off then we can investigate
the possibility of a rec center. Many residents believe that adding
a rec center to CPN would add to the "livability" of the area, but
wouldn't lower property taxes also do the same and with lower taxes,
everyone benefits, not just those who want the rec center. They still
have the options available to them as described in the article and
if they wish, can use the whole $400 to reduce the amounts they are
paying to use rec centers outside of CPN. Once we have accomplished
the lowering of the mill levey and paying off of the bonds, then we
can decide on a rec center. Let's not get more in debt and create
a situation like the one that was forced upon us with the bonds." |
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10-21 |
"I
feel a rec center would be an awesome addition to our community. My
only concern is the cost to each family. $450.00 seems like a bit
much." |
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10-21 |
"I
think it is a great opportunity for your community development to
build a rrecreation center. The area I live in, we do not have a facility
near our house for, at least, 15 minutes away. That is too far for
my wife to ride her bike to or for me to jog to. I hope all goes well
with your survey." |
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10-21 |
"I
cannot believe that during the trying financial times our nation is
facing, our commmunity of the wealthy are considering assessing fees
$450/year to build a recreation facility. Come on, now is NOT the
time for this!!!" |
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10-21 |
"Our
family of four would probably join a rec center in a year anyway,
so it would be very convienent to have one here. To show our interest
we would be willing to pay the first years dues prior to construction.
If others would, it may help secure a construction loan." |
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10-20 |
"With
current economy, think timing is poor. Lot of people (CPN home owners)
in financial trouble. Do not think is smart idea to give blank check
($150 can go to $450) is responsible. Pick a figure and stick with
it. We are retired.........this could/may present significant financial
burden on us, our kids won't use facility. Let the people/families
who USE the amenities, pay for their use. We are infuriated by having
a meeting 11/8 and a decision meeting 11/9. Now that some $ figures
are available.....repeat the survey and see if 75% are STILL in favor
of doing the rec center. LET THOSE WHO WANT/USE IT, PAY FOR IT. DON'T
BURDEN THE REST WHO WON'T/DON'T USE IT PAY FOR IT." |
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10-19 |
"It
would also be cool if you put in soccer fields, baseball feilds &
a volleyball court." |
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10-19 |
"I
am in favor of a rec. center as long as the $115 increase in CPN Master
Assn. dues is capped at $115. I do not want to see that $115 increased
each year as a result of improper research and cost analysis up front.
If extensive research proves that we can run,and maintain the facility,
without burdening the residents with increased CPN Master Assn. dues
in excess of $115 every year...fine. That way, those actually using
the facility and paying the additional membership or user fees, can
be accessed the increased dues, and NOT the entire community of which
many will not be using the facility. Also, keep in mind there are
many residents in this community that may have no interest in using
the facility. If these segments of our community choose not to use
the facility, it would not be fair to increase the $115 CPN Master
Assn fee every year or two, to help subsidize and pay for those people
who would use it regularly. I believe there is much more research
that needs to be done before moving forward on a rec. center, especially
in terms of "will $115, plus user member fees really support this
rec center?" |
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10-19 |
"How
are the retired people on fixed income going to afford the additional
money to pay for this facility they they will probally never use?" |
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"It
is about time that we developed our own facilities. Our commun ity
is large enough to support and maintain a recreation center and the
events that are a part of such a facility. We are tired of being the
step-children of the other recreation centers." |
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10-11 |
"HOA
#1 people do want the rec ctr! Please don't listen to a board that
says no. The people want it!" |
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10-11 |
"I'm
new to Colorado and "community living" and it just seems like there
are too many unanswered questions to building a Rec Center. The master
association president says that there will be a 115% increase in dues
AND that only those that wish to use the Rec Center will pay for it.
That's great but what if only a small percentage of people use it?
What is the break even point? Where will they get the money to maintain
it if no one goes to it? I guess we'll get another increase in our
dues. Sure the dues this year are relatively small, but what about
next year and in the future? I plan on retiring in Castle Pines. I
personally don't like giving someone money until I know all the facts.
The president also said if they determine if a Rec Center is not feasible,
then the money may possibly be returned, or used for something else.
This is confusing. It sounds like they have already planned to build
this thing and not done any investigation as to how much the costs
are. The president's letter also said our taxes will be lower next
year, which I love to hear, but I could use that extra money for something
other than a Rec Center. Do I have to use that extra income and give
it to the parks department? Since I'm new I don't know whether or
not this has been done, but has anyone provided a 5 yr, 10 yr, 30
yr plan to the residents? If so, how do I have access to this? Was
it included in this mailed survey I keep reading about? Is it possible
to see what that survey included? I took the on-line survey, but as
someone else wrote, it really isn't accurate. It seems like the interest
for a Rec Center was determined from last years survey. Does anyone
else feel this way? I guess I'll have to attend the Nov. 8th meeting,
but it sure would be nice to have answers before then." |
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The letter from Master Association
President Linda Nuzum is online, as is the approved
minutes for the August 2001 Master Association meeting and
addresses this topic. |
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